Age Limit for English Teachers in Vietnam?
What is the Real story for an experienced, qualified (DELTA, MSc) 60+ year old British Chap teaching business English in Vietnam? I'm 66 (nearly 67), look 50 (so people tell me!) and fit. But other countries, even China these days, seem to limit visas to 60.
I need to work but read conflicting stories about Vietnam. Many say there is no limit, but others there is now (2011). I know from experience the truth is not what's written down or said, but can anybody shed light? There must be many other 'grey hairs' out there.
Are salaries reduced, as in Korea I believe?======================
Reply from Travel-Budget-Asia.com
Alan. Do you need work or do you need money?
Just so everyone knows, A Volunteer Visa would solve all your problems. I have a feeling that you prefer a paycheck and the largest one possible at that (Doesn't Everyone?).
You have a couple of problems though. You are above the legal retirement age of Vietnam and schools in Vietnam prefer to hire the youngest and most attractive people over very highly qualified "Old-Guys" (Not my words).
The fact is you are older than 60, which is the retirement age for Vietnamese people. Vietnam does not issue work Visas to people older than their own mandatory retirement age.
This is happening throughout Asia. Every country in the Asia Zone is starting to restrict work visas to people at minimum 6 months less than the age of 60.
Having said that Vietnam is an old age retirement home compared to Thailand, Korea, Cambodia and well ... everywhere. I am 38 but I have 2 friends still in Saigon that are collecting retirement checks from back home.
So, they are both over 65. Great Guys so I don't care their age.
They just never bothered to apply for their work visas. They avoid them at all cost.
"Work Visa?" They'll say if you ask them "Never heard of it."
As with all of Asia, it is a double edged sword. I can't blame them for limiting work visas to the legal retirement age but that is now just a pain in the butt leaving few options to those over 60.
You know. The ones that beleive there is life in human Beings long after the tender age of just 60.
Just accept that you will never posses a work Permit or Work Visa, Alan. So, don't apply for them. You can still get a 6 month Vietnamese Visa. As long as it is a 'single entry' visa then it is not a work visa but a 'tourist' visa.
Schools will still hire you but will take every opportunity they can to use your age and visa status against you. I do think that the Koreans are much worse for this. Vietnamese still hold some respect for age and wisdom
If you get caught by the immigration Police the penalties will be soft. The laws are so new that they are not very sure of themselves. I doubt that they want to stifle the flow of tourists into Vietnam with bad Publicity.
Despite what the average Vietnamese person tells you, they have a problem with a very high 'Turnover Rate'. Teachers come for 3 months and are gone. If the owner still sees you standing there, you'll get more and more hours.
It's been real hard keeping up with the changes in laws, procedures and practices since Vietnam began its attempt climb out of chaos and corruption and in line with the rest of the world.
How You Should Find Work Teaching English In Vietnam
If you are 66 and want to work in Vietnam then just get the 30 day tourist Visa to get in Vietnam
and then see if you can upgrade your visa for longer.
Corruption is good for some people but not for others.
The problem is that you are asking to work when you are past the mandatory retirement age for most countries. You may have to start putting an income ahead of getting the right visa and a work permit.
I told you of my 2 friends in Saigon. They are all over 60 and working 20-25 hours a week @18/Hr. They are all good and happy today but if the boss asks them to get a work permit application underway, it all ends for them and they move on to a new school and new work.
If you are not in need of the money but love to teach then you would not get bothered about a visa as long as you were a volunteer.
I don't know how to get you working entirely within the perameters of the law. I don't see how you could obtain a work permit in Vietnam. I know how you can get a paycheck every month, though.
Get the visa first. Then go to see the private schools because they are allowed to hire anyone they want. You will get work but you will sometimes get the long end of the stick. You may have to work at it harder than others.
You should give it a shot. Unless you're a little frightened of the challenge? Somehow I know You are not.